Roger's Time

[goldenband]

Sure, fair enough, I've met some of those people. If they don't like the new Dark Side because they didn't like the old Dark Side either, there is nothing surprising about that. But for present purposes I'm talking about people who do like the album.

Sure. Let me make a suggestion: the line of discussion you're pursuing could (emphasizing could) come off as an attempt to corner people into admitting that they're not really hearing the album with open ears, because of preconceptions or biases that made them dismiss it before they heard a note.

If that's what you have in mind (on some level), in some cases you may be right! Everyone has preconceptions about, and biases against, various artists and genres and projects and so forth. But that's really their private business, and dscussing it here won't lead to anything positive, so I'd drop it.

As for me, I listened to Time last night and found the production more tasteful than I expected, though I'm not a fan of the pumping-limiter sound typical of the 21st century (where the recording quietens for a split second after every downbeat). I listen to bands like Low, so this kind of production, morose affect, and glacial tempi are hardly a stranger to me (let alone anyone who enjoys doom metal, a band like Bohren & der Club of Gore, slowed-down chillwave stuff, etc.).

Other people listen for different things and won't connect or want to connect with this approach. I didn't have a problem with it but don't feel compelled to seek out the whole album either.

[blauwdruk]

Some people like this new version of Time, for a number of reasons. Some people don’t like it, for the same number of reasons.
We can discuss this forever, but I’m afraid that won’t change anything… so can we please move on?

[keleven]

Sure. Let me make a suggestion: the line of discussion you're pursuing could (emphasizing could) come off as an attempt to corner people into admitting that they're not really hearing the album with open ears, because of preconceptions or biases that made them dismiss it before they heard a note.

If that's what you have in mind (on some level)

No, that thought didn't even occur to me. (I wrote on another thread that the time where every PF Internet discussion devolves into a Roger vs. Dave feud feels like 20 years ago; most of us are past that.) My operating assumption is that anyone who bothers to click and listen to the thing as soon as it's dropped is at least a little interested in / receptive to the the concept - which is, indeed, exactly why I was surprised to see so much negativity.

bands like Low

Great example of how the down-tempo stuff can be so mesmerizing!

[Son of Nothing]

It's a fair question. I'm happy to answer it.

Thanks for answering my challenge to you, with care and consideration. While I don't fully agree with your conclusion I think you make valid points and I better see where you are coming from.

I don't get why Roger Waters fans don't like it.

Now I'm going to be glib here, but please be assured I'm not having a go at you or detracting from what I said above, but perhaps the simple answer is: I'm not a Roger Waters fan. As I mentioned in my original reply, I don't believe in the "Roger Waters is the creative genius of Pink Floyd" hype. That doesn't mean I think his contributions are insignificant, but the "creative genius" vs "musical genius" antagonism is just a marketing construct that's been created out of the conflict in later years.

I am a Pink Floyd as the greater than the sum of the parts fan. But not Roger Waters on his own, nor David Gilmour on his own (except for maybe parts of that first solo album).

[TheMoebLoop]

I enjoyed this comment very much! I feel precisely the same way. "Amused to Death" is a record I love (apart from "Watching TV", of course), but that is a Roger Waters record; if we're talking about Pink Floyd, then the entity cannot be split into who did what, regardless of how much one tries to take credit for everything that went on - that is rubbish.

[svaerige]

some just add a guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-lCHnzj3w

[TheMoebLoop]

This guy knows his stuff. Way to poke fun at Roger by adding tasteful guitar to his "Money" redux.

[Son of Nothing]

My operating assumption is that anyone who bothers to click and listen to the thing as soon as it's dropped is at least a little interested in / receptive to the the concept

Aaah, well, I for one am a counterexample to that operating assumption. I listened not because I was receptive to the concept but rather the opposite. I expected it to be totally horrible, and I was curious to see if I was correct about my own assumption. It wasn't totally horrible to my ears, but that is still short of embracing it. But at least I gave it a chance, eh?

[MrFender]

some just add a guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-lCHnzj3w

And blocked already. Within 20 minutes no less.

[svaerige]

And blocked already. Within 20 minutes no less.

mine link is not blocked - i can still see it

i could post the MP3 file if possible - it's worth it

[daemonspudguy]

some just add a guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-lCHnzj3w

Figures. Also, what does Paramount Global own here? That doesn't make any sense.

[daemonspudguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLqv...IGd1aXRhcnM%3D
The same guy who made the Money one that apparently Paramount owns (somehow) also did one for Time.

[Alanko]

Horrible guitar tone and time keeping (ironically) on both videos.

[mark2114]

Roger's Redux version of Money.
I just heard the Redux version of Money on XM Sirius played by Jim Ladd as we know Jim was on the KAOS album & tour.
He called it Extraordinary and liked hearing his new take on music he wrote 50 years ago, and said he will be playing more of it.
Jim has done a number of interviews with Roger, I wonder if he may be connecting with Roger on the release of DSOTM Redux.

[svaerige]

Also, what does Paramount Global own here?

maybe the pictures

[MrFender]

some just add a guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-lCHnzj3w

Thanks to daemon's link I could listen to it. Infinitely more listenable.

[Skinny12]

Hi,

I have to say the musical interpretation really grows on me (i also like the downbeat version from CN) but the „singing“ still reminds me of a sad Leonard Cohen imitation. I have no joy listen to this broken voice.

Best
Skinny

[Son of Nothing]

Hi,

I have to say the musical interpretation really grows on me (i also like the downbeat version from CN) but the „singing“ still reminds me of a sad Leonard Cohen imitation. I have no joy listen to this broken voice.

Best
Skinny

That's an interesting perspective on his voice. As I posted, personally I think it's a vast improvement over that horrible strained thing he was doing for the last 40+ years, from The Wall onwards.