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    #16
    Originally posted by rontoon View Post
    Why are you assuming that this came from the Abbey Road vault?
    Because it's on an EMI 4-track reel clearly labeled "John Latham", amongst the rest of the Saucerful inventory as per Chris M and Random Precision?
    Last edited by Gern Blansten; 11-07-2024, 10:35 AM.

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      #17
      Originally posted by rontoon View Post
      Why are you assuming that this came from the Abbey Road vault?
      Isn't that how we knew about these tracks in the first place? It was first mentioned in Malcolm Jones' "Tapes still at EMI" list, and then David Parker looked at the tapes as part of his Random Precision research. Happy to be corrected though.

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        #18
        Originally posted by marksturdy View Post
        Isn't that how we knew about these tracks in the first place? It was first mentioned in Malcolm Jones' "Tapes still at EMI" list, and then David Parker looked at the tapes as part of his Random Precision research. Happy to be corrected though.
        Had no idea about this. Just goes to show you how inept the research team was!

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          #19
          Abbey Road also did the analogue to digital transfer for the 2016 box set. Can you guess what happened next? 😀

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            #20
            Originally posted by rontoon View Post
            Had no idea about this. Just goes to show you how inept the research team was!
            Or how disinterested and business-minded their bosses were.

            There are also alternate versions of Jugband Blues & Vegetable Man, a 10-minute Reaction In G, the instrumental bootlegged as "Sunshine" (with backwards instruments accidentally mixed in that are remnants of the tape being re-used in reverse), alternate mixes of songs with discarded multi-tracks that have different elements, far better BBC sources within reach, etc...

            Chris also believed that there is a better, more coherent version of Swan Lee/Silas Lang in the vault and that an earlier version was used erroneously and ineptly by EMI, and it has never been investigated let alone rectified.

            And that's just the Syd years.

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              #21
              Originally posted by neonknight View Post
              Abbey Road also did the analogue to digital transfer for the 2016 box set. Can you guess what happened next? 😀
              Are you referring to the disc authoring of the 2016 set in which someone flipped the switch to use pre-emphasis to "on", but did not switch on the marker for pre-emphasis, thus causing CD players to play back the files "as is" with the pre-emphasis, instead of de-emphasizing the files, making the sound emitted from speakers overly high in the treble range, or "tinny" and unpleasant to the ear?

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              • David S CA
                David S CA commented
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                Yes, Jim, the CDs were unpleasantly treble-y, just like the 24-bit purchasable download files were. This made me wonder if they truly made a version mastered in 24-bit, or if they just upsampled the files from the CDs having the botched disc authoring.
                Last edited by David S CA; 11-10-2024, 03:54 PM. Reason: Replaced the word "upscaled" with the correct term "upsampled".

              • jimfisheye
                jimfisheye commented
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                24 bit was botched too eh? Well, that tracks then. At least the few things I've heard from more original sources since then back that claim up 100%! Has anyone tried processing the files back to nominal? Assuming that's technically possible. Jeeze... This is one of those box sets that you keep returning to and find new discoveries every time. Too bad all the discoveries are mastering and production errors!

              • David S CA
                David S CA commented
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                So, there is an app for MacOS produced by Scott Brown called xACT, short for X Audio Compression Toolkit. It compiles together a lot of Linux-based decode/encode, checksum, shntool, tagging, and file utility tools behind a simple user interface. One of the tools in that app is file de-emphasis. I ran all the music files in either 16-bit or 24-bit, based on availability, from the TEY set through that de-emphasis function. The resulting output files, to my ears anyway, all sound "normal", or as they likely had been intended to sound for the release.

                Just for having done the de-emphasis, the Pompeii tracks came out sounding IMHO better than Prof Stoned's remastering of the TEY Pompeii tracks.
                Last edited by David S CA; 11-10-2024, 10:25 PM.

              #22
              I forgot to mention a true stereo Arnold Layne / Candy And A Currant Bun. The multi-tracks exist only because Joe Boyd had them and returned them to Abbey Road after the danger of them being destroyed had passed. But why bother using them now.

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              • David S CA
                David S CA commented
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                Wait until the catalog's rights are sold to someone else. Then we'll probably get re-releases that have just one or two of all the things you have mentioned every five years so that the die-hard fans will be compelled to buy Piper, Saucerful and Relics again and again and again.
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