The Final Cut

[stonytokes]

Today, 08:07 PM

...you are trying to organize a political discussion here, contrary to the rules of the community.

Ummm🙄, I'm not trying to organize anything. EYE responded to other posts in the thread. It's not a political discussion, it's a discussion of the themes of The Final Cut which has political content. EYE never even offered any opinion as to the merits of any political views espoused by Rog on TFC. EYE merely pointed out that if Margaret Thatcher is the woman standing on Southampton Dock it changes my outlook on the song personally, and EYE expressed the sentiment that EYE was sad that Pink Floyd ceased to be a band because EYE think that The Fletcher Memorial Home would have been an EPIC live number.

[MrFender]

Everyone take about 20% off. Keep to the topic or take it private.

[Alan Smithee]

No Rick Wright. No Pink Floyd as evident as the Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason

[stonytokes]

No Rick Wright. No Pink Floyd as evident as the Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason

No Nick Mason on TSITS, either. To be fair, Rick wasn't much involved in The Wall either as EYE understand, touring aside. And AMLOR is a David Gilmour solo album in all but name, recent revisionism notwithstanding, with only the most minimal contributions from Rick and Nick, as I understand.

[daemonspudguy]

Nick was apparently going to play on Two Suns but straight up said that he "couldn't play it" so Andy Newmark was called in to do it.

[Forrester]

Before this topic gets closed, I'd just like to point out how, in my opinion, the demo for "Not Now John" is vastly superior to the album version. TFC is an album that suffers from overproduction. Underneath it all is a great song! If its been a while, do yourself a treat & dig it out & have a listen.

[stonytokes]

You know, having listened to the demo version of Not Now John just now, EYE realize how much of a retread it is of that whole disco boogie vibe that The Wall had on tracks like ABITW Pt2, Young Lust, and Run Like Hell. Maybe Dave had some valid points about the material on TFC.

[thebelgiangnome]

I just relistened to The final cutting and wonder if a better version of these demos is existing. Compared to other demos of the group, the sound is pretty bad.

[plegault]

Speaking of the Final Cut, any word on Vernon's book being reprinted at all?

[Fungusmungus]

I do a search every few months myself for a copy. Fingers crossed a reprint comes around again.

[Alan Smithee]

First side minus Paranoid Eyes and second side the title track and Two Suns In The Sunset My opinion take it or leave it..One thing for sure it was the weakest of all the albums with Roger as a member.

[stonytokes]

Weaker than More? or the studio portion of Ummagumma? Opinions vary, EYE suppose...

[Gilmourisgod]

I’m playing the Final Cut now on HD download with my seinnhizer headphones on

[Skinny12]

So check for great insights about the holophonic on the latest episode with Andy Jackson…

[Frankymole]

This discussion has made me rethink my concept of what Rog was trying to say with this song. I never really pictured Thatcher as the woman on Southampton Dock until now. But I guess I never really thought about what Rog meant by a woman standing there with her hands "white upon the slippery reins".

In one version he even sings "white upon the slippery reins of state". His point was that she needed the war to solve her problem of her shaky grip on power. Which history has borne out.

[DaveTheRave]

In one version he even sings "white upon the slippery reins of state".

Where can I find this?

[Frankymole]

Where can I find this?

Can't remember, it's on one of the ROIOs live recordings somewhere, possibly "Goodbye Mr Pink Floyd?"

[Emdy]

Can't remember, it's on one of the ROIOs live recordings somewhere, possibly "Goodbye Mr Pink Floyd?"

No, not that particular show.

I think it was the ‘84 or ‘85 tours where he was name dropping Reagan during Brain Damage? Sounds more in line with something from those shows.