New Beatles song created using AI.....Pink Floyd "Music" Created With AI?

[mark2114]

It would seem that it is just a matter of time before someone creates AI generated Pink Floyd music, authorized or unauthorized.
New AI generated music with Syd?


"Artificial intelligence has been used to extract John Lennon's voice from an old demo to create a new Beatles song, Paul McCartney said Tuesday.

McCartney, 80, told the BBC that the technology was used to separate the Beatles' voices from background sounds during the making of director Peter Jackson's 2021 documentary series, The Beatles: Get Back. The new song is set to be released later this year, he said.

Jackson was "able to extricate John's voice from a ropey little bit of cassette and a piano," McCartney told BBC Radio. "He could separate them with AI. He'd tell the machine, 'That's a voice, this is a guitar, lose the guitar.'""



https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainmen...nnon-1.6874452

[zorigor]

Thank You Very Much

[Son of Nothing]

Big difference between using machine learning techniques that can pattern match well enough to isolate an actual recorded vocal from its surroundings to totalling on its own inventing / "creating" something actually new and unheard. I mean sure, someone's going to attempt it some day, but this actual reported story is not that.

[Journey Man]

This sounds like the sort of technique that could potentially be used to pick out and really enhance the alternative versions of the songs from the films More and Obscured By Clouds, bringing them to studio quality recordings. Then I’d be listening.

[NuffM]

They are not making a new Beatles song with AI. They are using AI to separate a voice and the instrument to mix them separately. There's a big difference and I'm honestly so tired of reading about it lol

[lennyif]

Same. They did this for the recent revolver remix as well, iirc. But those are not new recordings. I guess using a headline like "Beatles to release new AI created song" is just to great of an opportunity for these music pages and sites to pass up.

[ruben77]

AI technology is a great helper tool if used correctly in the many fields it has entered, as it has been seen in some trippy videos, and when used to help optimize mechanical designs. Some graphic artists are also starting to use it as a tool to speed up their job.

But it can also yield very problematic results when handled unwisely or by people who have not the expertise in the areas, like people using Chat GPT to "write" stories and novels to get into literary contests, or pseudo digital artists relying on AI to generate images that end up with multiple limbs and surrealistic fingers, and don't even care to retouch them. Or the famous case of a top-level law firm using AI to write a faulty document. Just to name a couple among thousands.

The debate has been huge (and still ongoing) in fields like literature, art, human sciences and even law. And it is all valid: after all, you need samples of existing texts/images to train the AI and start the generation process; and those texts/images/etc must have a source. It was only recently that AI entered the music world and now the same questions will be raised. And it enriches the debate.

The truth is that AI can not be stopped now (as much as some people would like to). It already is too late to stop it. Same happened with cars and computers: the moment they reached the public they became part of the world and forced waves of previously unexpected social changes that are still happening. The best that can be done is to keep discussing the AI's pros and cons, learn how to best use it, and educate the people on the subject. AI will not replace all artists (or workers), but it certainly is a threat to bad artists and bad workers who reject change and won't embrace the future.

The fact that AI is being used in relation with a name as huge as "Beatles" makes it even easier to spread the word on the many possibilities of AI. The Beatles name may also be used to advance the issue of creation, copyright laws, music deals, and who knows what else, it may even benefit the rights of future artists of generations to come who will explore the possibilities of AI software as creation tools. We may not be alive to see it, but there will be a time when AI models will be credited in the liner notes of vinyl records.

AI can also be very fun. Just check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyfQVZHmArA of someone getting the voice of Johnny Cash, the music from Folsom Prison, and the lyrics from Barbie Girl and Wannabe. Pay special attention to AI Cash ad-libbing some the meta AI references after 1:00 .


As for AI and Pink Floyd? Please use it to clean "Seabirds", extract the music, delete the film dialogue and extraneous sounds, and recreate the clean version that has been allegedly lost. I'd be very happy to hear that.

Or use it to improve the sound of audience recordings. There are many incredible performances that suffer from poor sound, if AI can help to clear the mud then I'm all for it.

Or use AI to return Syd's vocals to the Stockholm 1967 show... that would be interesting.

[DesertRat]

I posted about it recently but on apple music there is a karaoke mode feature which removes the vocals using AI. On some pieces it works great, I listened to all of Obscured by Clouds without vocals, and even on PULSE it worked well! If it can do that, then for sure it can be used to clean up, edit, adjust and more.

[Gern Blansten]

It would seem that it is just a matter of time before someone creates AI generated Pink Floyd music, authorized or unauthorized.
New AI generated music with Syd?

That's not at all what is being done with the Beatles song. Even the excerpt you posted doesn't say that.

[NuffM]

Exactly. Annoys me so much.

[Alanko]

I'm wondering if AI could be used to 'repair' some audience recordings? Add a bit of a stereo image? Train a machine learning algorithm on the 1970/71 BBC recordings, Pompeii etc, then set it to work on a sludgy mono recording.

Imaging lifting the tape saturation and azimuth alignment artefacts from the 1969 Manchester Free Trade Hall recording, for example.


Hawkwind are issuing an 11 disk reissue of Space Ritual, with a completely unreleased gig, previously unused due to technical errors and supposed missing instruments. I'm wondering if they used AI to restore the missing elements? Maybe they just put their bassist in the studio for a day and got him to overdub missing bass tracks!

[Alan]

I think this is much more likely (and at least as interesting) as completely new music.

[swanlee]

Alot of us have been doing this for a few years, using AI to create separate isolated instrument and vocal tracks from mono recordings and then remixing them in stereo with great results. I've personally done this with the Early PF singles, all the BBC sessions, the Syd BBC sessions, Audio for almost all the Early Years videos and resynced the now stereo audio to the videos - (this is still in progress) but for Example KQED video and audio is done and sounds amazing in remixed real stereo. I did this with the 66 IO Sanfran film, remixed the audio to stereo, upmixed it using AI to 5.1 and then used AI to upres the video portion to 4k with great results

An easy practical use of this that I have not done yet but is on my radar is to add in Vocals to the 67 Stockholm show, the vocal could be lifted from another source or have AI create Rick's and Syd's vocal from AI training and feed it the lyrics to produce a new AI made vocal track to mix into the 67 Stockholm show

2 problems though I'd need to point out.

1. Alot of the end results are a serious grey area of legality - for example I have created new stereo mixes of nearly everything mono from Floyd that has never been mixed into stereo but used near official sources to extract that so it is not easy to share this stuff without legal questions.

2. I have gotten ALOT of push back from purists, snide remarks and outright nasty comments from people that seem to feel this sort of thing should not even exist when I have offered to share this type of stuff free of charge as in I just want to get this stuff out for people to listen to, People need to be way more damn open to being able to use AI and Tech to create things that would not otherwise exists. Doing this does not remove or devalue any current sources it is just a new way to listen to it. Also some people have a serious false sense of ownership of this material which is just odd to me since these people did not create the music, did not record the material themselves but for some reason feel they own it and others should not tamper with it.

So just to let you guys know their are people using this AI tech to make stereo remixes out of mono sources, and doing some cool remixes and experiments with common material and in turn creating material that really should not exist but the results are pretty awesome that just a few short years ago would be impossible to create but due to legal grey area's and frankly a subset of the purist community being complete asshats about it this may be slow going in getting it properly circulated for people to enjoy.

So if people are interested in this type of material and want it properly circulated we need to figure out the legal grey area and the purists need to get over it and realize some people will enjoy this material and it does not remove previous material and is just a new way to listen to this old material.

[aybesea]

2. I have gotten ALOT of push back from purists, snide remarks and outright nasty comments from people that seem to feel this sort thing should not even exist when I have offered to share this type of stuff free of charge as in I just want to get this stuff out for people to listen to, People need to be way more damn open to being able to use AI and Tech to create things that would not otherwise exists. Doing this does not remove or devalue any current sources it is just a new way to listen to it. Also some people have a serious false sense of ownership of this material which is just odd to me since these people did not create the music, did not record the material themselves but for some reason feel they own it and others should not tamper with it.

I have absolutely no problem with people creating this sort of content as long as it is disclosed. People who don't want to hear it, shouldn't listen to it.

[swanlee]

I have absolutely no problem with people creating this sort of content as long as it is disclosed. People who don't want to hear it, shouldn't listen to it.

Yea the mods here have been great with this and the legal grey area is fully understood that is not anyone's fault and it would be wise to figure that out before anything is widely shared, hopefully at some point we all can figure out a way to share this stuff without risking the site.

The other side though needs to loosen their supposed perceived ownership grip on what is essentially public domain material at this point and just be more open to experiments with what I consider a technical revolution in this area that a lot of us have been waiting decades for. Either that or we should just ignore them and push forward trying to do new and different things with this familiar material and let the purists complain to the air about it.

[mark2114]

That's not at all what is being done with the Beatles song. Even the excerpt you posted doesn't say that.

In fact the quote from Paul says just that:
Artificial intelligence has been used to extract John Lennon's voice from an old demo to create a new Beatles song, Paul McCartney said Tuesday.

[Son of Nothing]

In fact the quote from Paul says just that:
Artificial intelligence has been used to extract John Lennon's voice from an old demo to create a new Beatles song, Paul McCartney said Tuesday.

No, it's not saying that artificial intelligence is generating new music. It is saying AI was used to extract Lennon's vocals. It's not at all saying that AI was used to generate anything new.

Seriously, it's amazing what can be achieved with these techniques. There's no need to oversell it as well and claim it's doing something it isn't.

[MattyMoo]

Maybe someone could use AI to remove Dave's vocals from the Concertgebouw 69 concert, auto-tune them and then put them back in

[YASHA]

"Singing in Dave's voice". Funny =)

Has anyone already published the song "Green is the Color" with Roger's voice?

[NuffM]

Floydophile wow what the hell, that one is actually very good LOL. I wish they would program it so David sung the higher parts as lead too, using excerpts from Young Lust, Not Now John and Dogs of War

[MrFender]

Annndddd now Roger's next project is to redo the entire PF catalog with just his vocals. Don't give him any ideas.